Living as a woman in the 1930s in Germany would not be as simple or pleasant as you make it seem to be. For women to be forced to stay at home and take care of their children, they were denied the equalities that were given to women in Russia. In Germany, women were not able to participate in the government or work in factories in the same job positions as men. Women in Russia however, were expected to work outside of the house, and were not seen as unequal to men. Even though there was famine being suffered in Russia, it was not uncommon for food shortages in Germany as well since the economy was still suffering in the 1930s. Therefore, because of the lack of equality that was granted to women in Germany, it would be better to be a woman living in Russia in the 1930s. (B. McCune, 149)
Although Hitler‘s ideally woman belonged in the home, and raised many children, many women were still expected to work in factories. At the beginning of the 1930s the women labor force increased by over one third. Furthermore, the great depression of the 1930s further added to this situation. Employers held on to cheaper female labour while laying off expendable men. In 1933 women already formed 37% of the total employed labour force in Germany. Even in the medal industries, every eighth employee was a women. Furthermore, Germany had a shortage of food, and a great depression as well. I think that a woman would be better off in Russia. Although they worked a lot in factories, they at least received equal access to education, as men did, whereas in Germany girls were only taught to get ready for church, children and cooking.
I agree that it would be best for women to live in the USSR during the 1930’s in comparison to Germany and Italy. It’s true that in the USSR, women and men were theoretically on equal grounds in their accessibility to education and professions. However, something you seemed forgot to mention was the fact that women within the USSR were actually able to keep their professional jobs, something that was not allowed within Germany as Hitler had forced women to give up those professions to men. I think this fact alone would have made it an easy choice to pick which country treated women better. However, I think the most alluring fact that makes the USSR stand out between Italy and Germany is the fact that within the USSR, women were given the same level of education as men as Stalin viewed illiterate people as unhappy and poor.
Jacquelinne commenting on Emma’s post I would have to disagree that Germany was the better place for a women to live. There are two factors that I would look at to determine which nation I would want to live in; 1. Equality and 2. Access to an education. Women in Germany were not seen as equal to men and were expected to have children for which they were given bonuses for which is degrading.- It means that the only thing a women was good for was having children and staying home, what if something happened to their husband? Education is necessary to a nation’s sustainability, it builds the basis for people obtain jobs and become a productive member of society, something that all citizens should have the right to not just men. For these reasons I would choose the Soviet Union rather than Germany during this time. word count:142
Destiny in response to Tatyana's Post: I agree with Tatyana. A woman in the Soviet Union could expect to have equal rights and equal opportunities in the workplace. Although things such as free marriage and abortion were still out of the question, the playing field had definitely been leveled in the Soviet Union as opposed to in Italy or Germany because the Soviets understood that they needed to maximize themselves in every aspect and including women in the workforce was an easy way to maximize their labor resources. In Germany, staying at home was painted as the best option and other avenues were limited while in the Soviet Union, all jobs were available. In Germany, Hitler only wanted to promote motherhood and increase the population to add to his Nazi followers. In Italy, the same idea was presented: using women only to add to the population. Soviet Union meant more equality Word Count: 145
I am not a woman, so I don't have complete understanding of what I would like if I were; however, from my objective perspective, I would have to disagree with you that Germany was the place to be instead of the Soviet Union. This is because the of the amount equality that women had in the Soviet Union. You state that they were “pressure to work”, but is this a bad thing? While some might see a job as a burden, there are many women that would see this as an opportunity. A hopeful, ambitious woman had the opportunity to study, get educated, and at some point achieve a professional job if she wanted to do so. From my view, receiving equal education and having the ability to have a job is a great thing to live for-- especially during hard times. It gave independence and self-worth to women.
Women in Germany didn’t have a need for work, marriage, or schooling, and were things that women wanted and were things that they did not attain like Russian women. By getting these things, women could move forward towards true equality with men. The German marriage law just showed how women were tied to men and had to rely on them for everything including having children and could not fend for themselves like men. The women in Russia were able to show that they were just as capable as men and were shown equality once they were emancipated. In Russia, women obtained state-supported childcare institutions, abortion rights, and access to a wide range of trades and professions giving women a lot of economic equality with men. Sure women’s traditional roles would be broken, but that’s for the progression of equality and a larger labor force to improve the country.
What you are saying does sound like a pleasant enough lifestyle for someone who does not like to work in an industrial position but for all those who do not wish to be mothers, wives, and home makers life in Nazi controlled Germany sounds like a nightmare. Women were not given the privilege, the opportunity, of the option of having large families and working only in the home, all of Hitler's policies regarding marriage were aimed to make women become mothers and homemakers and beyond legislature Hitler also put forth propaganda to manipulate women into desiring this lifestyle. In the Soviet Union women were given actual opportunity to become something more that a medium for procreation. It is true that women were pushed towards motherhood but not anywhere near the extent that the Nazi party attempted.
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Comment to David:
ReplyDeleteLiving as a woman in the 1930s in Germany would not be as simple or pleasant as you make it seem to be. For women to be forced to stay at home and take care of their children, they were denied the equalities that were given to women in Russia. In Germany, women were not able to participate in the government or work in factories in the same job positions as men. Women in Russia however, were expected to work outside of the house, and were not seen as unequal to men.
Even though there was famine being suffered in Russia, it was not uncommon for food shortages in Germany as well since the economy was still suffering in the 1930s. Therefore, because of the lack of equality that was granted to women in Germany, it would be better to be a woman living in Russia in the 1930s. (B. McCune, 149)
Juliane commenting on David‘s Post
ReplyDeleteAlthough Hitler‘s ideally woman belonged in the home, and raised many children, many women were still expected to work in factories. At the beginning of the 1930s the women labor force increased by over one third. Furthermore, the great depression of the 1930s further added to this situation. Employers held on to cheaper female labour while laying off expendable men. In 1933 women already formed 37% of the total employed labour force in Germany. Even in the medal industries, every eighth employee was a women.
Furthermore, Germany had a shortage of food, and a great depression as well.
I think that a woman would be better off in Russia. Although they worked a lot in factories, they at least received equal access to education, as men did, whereas in Germany girls were only taught to get ready for church, children and cooking.
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Jay commenting on Emerald's post:
ReplyDeleteI agree that it would be best for women to live in the USSR during the 1930’s in comparison to Germany and Italy. It’s true that in the USSR, women and men were theoretically on equal grounds in their accessibility to education and professions. However, something you seemed forgot to mention was the fact that women within the USSR were actually able to keep their professional jobs, something that was not allowed within Germany as Hitler had forced women to give up those professions to men. I think this fact alone would have made it an easy choice to pick which country treated women better. However, I think the most alluring fact that makes the USSR stand out between Italy and Germany is the fact that within the USSR, women were given the same level of education as men as Stalin viewed illiterate people as unhappy and poor.
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Jacquelinne commenting on Emma’s post
ReplyDeleteI would have to disagree that Germany was the better place for a women to live. There are two factors that I would look at to determine which nation I would want to live in; 1. Equality and 2. Access to an education. Women in Germany were not seen as equal to men and were expected to have children for which they were given bonuses for which is degrading.- It means that the only thing a women was good for was having children and staying home, what if something happened to their husband? Education is necessary to a nation’s sustainability, it builds the basis for people obtain jobs and become a productive member of society, something that all citizens should have the right to not just men. For these reasons I would choose the Soviet Union rather than Germany during this time.
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Destiny in response to Tatyana's Post:
ReplyDeleteI agree with Tatyana. A woman in the Soviet Union could expect to have equal rights and equal opportunities in the workplace. Although things such as free marriage and abortion were still out of the question, the playing field had definitely been leveled in the Soviet Union as opposed to in Italy or Germany because the Soviets understood that they needed to maximize themselves in every aspect and including women in the workforce was an easy way to maximize their labor resources. In Germany, staying at home was painted as the best option and other avenues were limited while in the Soviet Union, all jobs were available. In Germany, Hitler only wanted to promote motherhood and increase the population to add to his Nazi followers. In Italy, the same idea was presented: using women only to add to the population. Soviet Union meant more equality
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Alfredo commenting on Emma's post:
ReplyDeleteI am not a woman, so I don't have complete understanding of what I would like if I were; however, from my objective perspective, I would have to disagree with you that Germany was the place to be instead of the Soviet Union. This is because the of the amount equality that women had in the Soviet Union. You state that they were “pressure to work”, but is this a bad thing? While some might see a job as a burden, there are many women that would see this as an opportunity. A hopeful, ambitious woman had the opportunity to study, get educated, and at some point achieve a professional job if she wanted to do so. From my view, receiving equal education and having the ability to have a job is a great thing to live for-- especially during hard times. It gave independence and self-worth to women.
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ReplyDeleteWomen in Germany didn’t have a need for work, marriage, or schooling, and were things that women wanted and were things that they did not attain like Russian women. By getting these things, women could move forward towards true equality with men. The German marriage law just showed how women were tied to men and had to rely on them for everything including having children and could not fend for themselves like men. The women in Russia were able to show that they were just as capable as men and were shown equality once they were emancipated. In Russia, women obtained state-supported childcare institutions, abortion rights, and access to a wide range of trades and professions giving women a lot of economic equality with men. Sure women’s traditional roles would be broken, but that’s for the progression of equality and a larger labor force to improve the country.
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Dorian commenting on David's post.
ReplyDeleteWhat you are saying does sound like a pleasant enough lifestyle for someone who does not like to work in an industrial position but for all those who do not wish to be mothers, wives, and home makers life in Nazi controlled Germany sounds like a nightmare. Women were not given the privilege, the opportunity, of the option of having large families and working only in the home, all of Hitler's policies regarding marriage were aimed to make women become mothers and homemakers and beyond legislature Hitler also put forth propaganda to manipulate women into desiring this lifestyle. In the Soviet Union women were given actual opportunity to become something more that a medium for procreation. It is true that women were pushed towards motherhood but not anywhere near the extent that the Nazi party attempted.
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